1 00:00:12,890 --> 00:00:09,919 all right okay here we go folks in the 2 00:00:14,330 --> 00:00:12,900 chick 12 presence of a non-existent God 3 00:00:17,150 --> 00:00:14,340 and an evidence-based Brian Dunning 4 00:00:24,620 --> 00:00:17,160 reading okay I've got the script here 5 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:24,630 okay welcome to this size skeptic sir 6 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:26,490 welcome to the skeptics out of stuff 7 00:00:40,220 --> 00:00:37,050 that I papers you again I think that's 8 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:40,230 evidence-based now okay i'm still 9 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:43,620 holding this just in case nope okay and 10 00:00:52,250 --> 00:00:45,420 huge applause is on the woods at the 11 00:00:55,819 --> 00:00:52,260 skeptic zone okay cue theme welcome to 12 00:00:58,610 --> 00:00:55,829 the skeptic zone the podcast from 13 00:00:59,880 --> 00:00:58,620 australia the science and reason here 14 00:01:09,060 --> 00:00:59,890 are your hosts Richard 15 00:01:14,230 --> 00:01:12,760 Richard Stefan oh what a what what a day 16 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:14,240 I can't believe it I can't believe 17 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:16,220 you're here in the skeptic zone in the 18 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:18,860 TAM Australia this is a pretty freaky 19 00:01:22,990 --> 00:01:20,450 room isn't it it is I'm freaked out 20 00:01:24,730 --> 00:01:23,000 already how are you I'm vibed right out 21 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:24,740 are you are you wearing your power 22 00:01:29,050 --> 00:01:26,930 balance no I know I'm not I've got a new 23 00:01:31,030 --> 00:01:29,060 a new miracle cure coming up later on 24 00:01:32,650 --> 00:01:31,040 the show though someone give that man of 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:32,660 power balance welcome to the skeptic 26 00:01:38,650 --> 00:01:36,530 zone for the 28th of November 2010 I'm 27 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:38,660 Richard Saunders joining me on stage is 28 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:41,800 Stefan cycle ladies and gentlemen thank 29 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:48,260 you Richard and now he has a tan ban 30 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:09,160 Iran Segoe ness Joe Betty Lou dr. Carew 31 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:11,830 see Wilson 32 00:02:25,830 --> 00:02:17,450 and blogging tweeting video in and doing 33 00:02:27,910 --> 00:02:25,840 everything else Kylie Sturgis Stefan 34 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:27,920 Richard where do you mean what's the 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:30,530 story ah now look I'm actually I've 36 00:02:34,210 --> 00:02:32,330 moonlight as a wedding singer and I was 37 00:02:35,710 --> 00:02:34,220 down I'll still your wedding last night 38 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:35,720 got over five o'clock in the morning 39 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:37,250 from Barry you know I'm been to bury it 40 00:02:41,050 --> 00:02:38,810 down that way beautiful part of the 41 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:41,060 world but yeah not a good place to be 42 00:02:43,780 --> 00:02:42,170 when you should be at a skeptic 43 00:02:46,270 --> 00:02:43,790 convention now I hope people realize 44 00:02:47,770 --> 00:02:46,280 that Stefan wrote the wonderful theme 45 00:02:49,180 --> 00:02:47,780 music we have and we get like 46 00:02:50,830 --> 00:02:49,190 ninety-nine percent of people right in 47 00:02:52,750 --> 00:02:50,840 saying it's so great you know it starts 48 00:02:54,340 --> 00:02:52,760 off the show we get someone and so can 49 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:54,350 you do something about that theme music 50 00:02:58,570 --> 00:02:56,930 you know you've got a good podcast but 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:58,580 the theme music grexit i'm actually 52 00:03:03,580 --> 00:03:01,010 working on it like a reggae version and 53 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:03,590 a techno version next year it's got to 54 00:03:10,750 --> 00:03:07,550 be a very different sort of show this do 55 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:10,760 all that stuff he also if the listeners 56 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:12,170 to the show at the end there's a 57 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:16,209 wonderful operatic singing voice lets 58 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:18,860 going to give us a rendition know right 59 00:03:24,449 --> 00:03:21,890 okay was that clapping for sale he's 60 00:03:27,670 --> 00:03:24,459 because he's not yes thank you very much 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:27,680 this is the first time the entire team 62 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:30,290 have been together ladies and gentleman 63 00:03:39,699 --> 00:03:32,480 this is the very first time the entire 64 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:39,709 train and we have our satellite skeptic 65 00:03:46,050 --> 00:03:41,900 zone who orbits us Maynard ladies and 66 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:48,550 now I'll just get you to switch over to 67 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:51,890 the PowerPoint and we should and may not 68 00:03:56,980 --> 00:03:53,930 if you click on that and press f5 we 69 00:03:58,090 --> 00:03:56,990 should be coming up with our logo can I 70 00:04:00,190 --> 00:03:58,100 just say something which is while you're 71 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:00,200 doing that I'm monitoring Twitter 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:02,690 whoever twisted who let may not onstage 73 00:04:12,310 --> 00:04:10,010 please stand up security security now if 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:12,320 you allow me to indulge myself but just 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:13,490 a moment ladies and gentlemen before we 76 00:04:22,150 --> 00:04:19,370 have a little chat up here oh it's a 77 00:04:27,190 --> 00:04:22,160 tradition this is what we look like at 78 00:04:29,230 --> 00:04:27,200 Las Vegas it's it's a thrill for me to 79 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:29,240 be here especially since it's ten years 80 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:31,700 ago if you'd like to click this the 81 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:34,370 space bar Manor there we go ten years 82 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:36,140 ago this month ladies and gentlemen one 83 00:04:45,340 --> 00:04:42,230 of us has aged that's the one in back 84 00:04:47,770 --> 00:04:45,350 know that some let's the admit Randy 85 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:47,780 very briefly and got his autograph about 86 00:04:51,670 --> 00:04:49,730 a year before that but there we are at 87 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:51,680 the two thousand convention here in 88 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:54,020 Sydney it was the third skeptics world 89 00:04:59,200 --> 00:04:56,840 convention and I was just just a guy 90 00:05:01,450 --> 00:04:59,210 like like everybody else who came up and 91 00:05:02,860 --> 00:05:01,460 to meet the amazing Randi and he 92 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:02,870 graciously said yes coming for a 93 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:05,060 photograph and I can't believe that's 94 00:05:08,050 --> 00:05:06,530 ten years ago that's fantastic it's one 95 00:05:09,940 --> 00:05:08,060 of my favorite photographs actually he 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:09,950 signed that for me later and it's framed 97 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:12,050 on the wall of course may not one more 98 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:14,690 slide back to that thank you may not you 99 00:05:28,029 --> 00:05:24,219 friends before we get to our special 100 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:28,039 guest who's coming up soon I'll throw 101 00:05:35,230 --> 00:05:29,900 things open to us all to have a little 102 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:35,240 chat rachey your doctor Ricci reports we 103 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:37,250 get lots of email about dr. HC reports 104 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:41,330 in fact and we do you appreciate dr. hu 105 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:46,970 report so we certainly do Richard these 106 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:50,120 people a chance to the show and I was it 107 00:05:56,830 --> 00:05:53,449 aware that yeah mate some of them do why 108 00:05:59,170 --> 00:05:56,840 did you tell me agenda what what in all 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:05:59,180 the doctor rates you and all the doctor 110 00:06:05,499 --> 00:06:01,970 a cheese you've done rates you which one 111 00:06:07,719 --> 00:06:05,509 stand out in your mind well I think the 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:07,729 one I get a lot of comments about people 113 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:10,970 actually approached me and and commend 114 00:06:15,580 --> 00:06:13,970 me on is one that you suggested I do in 115 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:15,590 fact you could job me into doing it 116 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Richard oh yeah that was the ear candles 117 00:06:21,850 --> 00:06:19,970 right I don't know if anyone's heard 118 00:06:25,870 --> 00:06:21,860 that and if you does anyone here not 119 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:25,880 know what ear candles are a few hands 120 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:29,090 okay I asked a few people this question 121 00:06:33,219 --> 00:06:30,830 before I explained it and they thought 122 00:06:34,450 --> 00:06:33,229 that they might be some kind of candle 123 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:34,460 that you put in your ears and then you 124 00:06:39,850 --> 00:06:35,570 light it so you can see where you're 125 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:39,860 walking someone else suggested it was a 126 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:43,490 candle made of earwax oh they did that 127 00:06:48,610 --> 00:06:45,289 I'm not know why you'd buy that but then 128 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:48,620 people buy power balance so you know no 129 00:06:55,420 --> 00:06:50,690 in fact what they are is they are hollow 130 00:06:57,850 --> 00:06:55,430 tubes of wax a roll a rolled up when 131 00:06:59,800 --> 00:06:57,860 they're warm and then you put them into 132 00:07:01,330 --> 00:06:59,810 your ears and you light the far end and 133 00:07:03,219 --> 00:07:01,340 you lie on your side and as they burn 134 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:03,229 down their supposed to extract toxins 135 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:06,860 demons religion all kinds of things I 136 00:07:12,249 --> 00:07:09,830 mean to ridiculous things like fungus 137 00:07:13,980 --> 00:07:12,259 and and viruses and stuff like that but 138 00:07:16,420 --> 00:07:13,990 of course there's no evidence for it but 139 00:07:19,209 --> 00:07:16,430 when i first came across is i thought 140 00:07:20,890 --> 00:07:19,219 that can't be real it can't nobody is 141 00:07:24,610 --> 00:07:20,900 stupid enough to stick a burning stick 142 00:07:26,649 --> 00:07:24,620 in their ear I mean dr. Kyle I think 143 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:26,659 talks about this and I'm sure everyone's 144 00:07:30,159 --> 00:07:28,310 parents told you this don't stick 145 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:30,169 anything in your ear smaller than your 146 00:07:34,379 --> 00:07:32,409 elbow then why would you stick 147 00:07:36,179 --> 00:07:34,389 burning stick I did it's just so 148 00:07:39,899 --> 00:07:36,189 ridiculous for a burning elbow or a 149 00:07:41,100 --> 00:07:39,909 burning elbow but Richard talk to me 150 00:07:43,019 --> 00:07:41,110 about this when I first started doing 151 00:07:44,850 --> 00:07:43,029 the podcast and he said I want you to go 152 00:07:47,219 --> 00:07:44,860 to town on this because this is so 153 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:47,229 ridiculous but the other thing is it's 154 00:07:52,109 --> 00:07:49,449 also dangerous because there have been 155 00:07:54,659 --> 00:07:52,119 stories of people dying not directly as 156 00:07:56,999 --> 00:07:54,669 a result of ear candling but there was a 157 00:08:00,389 --> 00:07:57,009 story of a woman who was handling in her 158 00:08:02,609 --> 00:08:00,399 house by herself and she set fire to the 159 00:08:04,769 --> 00:08:02,619 curtains and then the house caught on 160 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:04,779 fire and she subsequently escaped but 161 00:08:10,350 --> 00:08:07,769 she died of an asthma attack in hospital 162 00:08:11,819 --> 00:08:10,360 but there's a serious side to it as well 163 00:08:14,279 --> 00:08:11,829 because there have been stories of 164 00:08:16,679 --> 00:08:14,289 people that get perforated eardrums 165 00:08:19,799 --> 00:08:16,689 because the the hot wax drips into your 166 00:08:21,509 --> 00:08:19,809 ear and if you ever see these things 167 00:08:24,119 --> 00:08:21,519 have a look at them closely because some 168 00:08:27,029 --> 00:08:24,129 of them have on the inside at the at the 169 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:27,039 ear end they'll have sort of a drip 170 00:08:30,119 --> 00:08:28,719 filter paper and they say that that's 171 00:08:32,969 --> 00:08:30,129 okay the wax will droop in there it 172 00:08:35,069 --> 00:08:32,979 won't burn your ear but if you have a 173 00:08:36,990 --> 00:08:35,079 look at the literature and it sad Ernst 174 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:37,000 has done some written some stuff about 175 00:08:40,860 --> 00:08:38,529 these serious evidence that they they do 176 00:08:42,990 --> 00:08:40,870 harm so anyway Richard said do it and go 177 00:08:44,670 --> 00:08:43,000 to town on them and it's the only doctor 178 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:44,680 rachy reports right actually in the 179 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:47,470 middle of it went how do you do a 180 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:51,670 Richard on it yes that I get that many 181 00:08:58,470 --> 00:08:56,529 fans of The Goon Show here ready right 182 00:09:00,030 --> 00:08:58,480 so people tell me that they listen to it 183 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:00,040 on public transport and they always end 184 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:01,569 up laughing to themselves and people 185 00:09:05,069 --> 00:09:03,130 look at them around them think that 186 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:05,079 they're crazy so that's the one that's 187 00:09:11,490 --> 00:09:07,930 most memorable we got a man came up to 188 00:09:14,639 --> 00:09:11,500 me lately and recently and said he plays 189 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:14,649 it the skeptic zone in his taxi what a 190 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:17,529 great idea taxi people say what radio 191 00:09:23,759 --> 00:09:21,100 stations that says are talking about 192 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:23,769 wacky devices we have with us the 193 00:09:30,809 --> 00:09:28,000 presence of a man who has certainly no 194 00:09:33,689 --> 00:09:30,819 end of wacky devices I give you none 195 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:33,699 other than dr. Stefan what do you have 196 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:36,850 for us dr. Stefan hi I'm dr. Stefan 197 00:09:41,549 --> 00:09:39,550 Soyka from the scalar Academy of energy 198 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:41,559 field wellness and wealth creation 199 00:09:45,460 --> 00:09:43,370 sciences 200 00:09:47,650 --> 00:09:45,470 and I'm very proud to announce today the 201 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:47,660 launch of our brand new healing and 202 00:09:51,970 --> 00:09:50,330 wealth creation system the scalar 203 00:09:54,510 --> 00:09:51,980 Academy of energy field wellness and 204 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:54,520 wealth creation sciences x-ray program 205 00:10:01,060 --> 00:09:58,130 now I admit I'm a skeptic I'm skeptical 206 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:01,070 of anything any scientist or university 207 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:03,650 trained doctor tells me so imagine my 208 00:10:07,300 --> 00:10:05,570 surprise when my team at the scalar 209 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:07,310 Academy of energy field wellness and 210 00:10:12,220 --> 00:10:09,290 wealth creation discovered that x rays 211 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:12,230 wavelength point 0 1 to 10 nanometers 212 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:15,020 and frequency 3 times 10 to the 16 to 3 213 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:17,990 times 10 to the 19 Hertz is exactly the 214 00:10:23,410 --> 00:10:20,240 same wavelength and frequency range of 215 00:10:27,930 --> 00:10:23,420 your body's natural scalar Universal 216 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:27,940 healing energy field or a and chakra 217 00:10:32,019 --> 00:10:30,110 doctors have been hiding this from 218 00:10:34,630 --> 00:10:32,029 humanity for over a hundred years and 219 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:34,640 cashing in on selling you only minut 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:38,690 doses of natural healing x-rays well now 221 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:41,450 it's time for us to cash in with the 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:43,100 most amazing wellness and wealth 223 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:45,010 creation program ever devised a 224 00:10:50,530 --> 00:10:48,170 multi-level marketing and healing system 225 00:10:54,940 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will 253 00:12:12,189 --> 00:12:09,769 love these x-ray healing systems that 254 00:12:14,259 --> 00:12:12,199 every model you buy and or sell to your 255 00:12:16,090 --> 00:12:14,269 friends for a three levels deep point 256 00:12:19,449 --> 00:12:16,100 one percent affiliate Commission trail 257 00:12:22,030 --> 00:12:19,459 has built into the cost 1 million 258 00:12:23,949 --> 00:12:22,040 dollars that's right 1 million dollars 259 00:12:26,530 --> 00:12:23,959 worth of life insurance taking out 260 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:26,540 against you or your friends with me as 261 00:12:33,370 --> 00:12:29,660 the beneficiary that's how confident I 262 00:12:36,220 --> 00:12:33,380 am so act now and start healing and 263 00:12:39,460 --> 00:12:36,230 wealth creation the process today x-rays 264 00:12:41,949 --> 00:12:39,470 are exciting extraordinary and soon you 265 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:41,959 will be experiencing levels of x-ray 266 00:12:55,269 --> 00:12:43,630 wellness and abundance at an 267 00:12:58,840 --> 00:12:55,279 excruciatingly scale convert the audit 268 00:13:00,480 --> 00:12:58,850 on the web online now yes alternative 269 00:13:04,689 --> 00:13:00,490 dress later it's a long long address 270 00:13:09,309 --> 00:13:04,699 thank you dr. Stephan for that wonderful 271 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:09,319 bit of a New Energy new new form of 272 00:13:15,370 --> 00:13:12,760 healing ah yes x-rays magical magical 273 00:13:17,530 --> 00:13:15,380 well let's have a brief discussion now 274 00:13:19,300 --> 00:13:17,540 everybody on the panel as you know we've 275 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:19,310 all done bits and pieces that we come 276 00:13:22,780 --> 00:13:21,440 and go it was it's very interesting at 277 00:13:25,870 --> 00:13:22,790 the skeptic zone but we are sort of 278 00:13:27,850 --> 00:13:25,880 spread around a bit and and one of our 279 00:13:29,620 --> 00:13:27,860 members Carly Sturgis who's on the end 280 00:13:32,319 --> 00:13:29,630 which is sort of representative because 281 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:32,329 she's in Perth you know is if I'm if I'm 282 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:34,850 Sydney heat and no anyway she's far away 283 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:37,760 in Perth and Kylie you've been 284 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:40,310 extraordinary active all the time 24 285 00:13:45,069 --> 00:13:42,410 hours a day three hundred and seventy 286 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:45,079 days a week what that sounds like 287 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:47,870 something dr. Stefan would say yes and I 288 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:49,970 mean that I don't eat wheat sin asleep 289 00:13:56,590 --> 00:13:53,930 you know so you must I think and geez of 290 00:13:58,540 --> 00:13:56,600 course it's like a one of those shows 291 00:14:00,670 --> 00:13:58,550 and they go on to do other shows she has 292 00:14:02,170 --> 00:14:00,680 her own podcast can you tell us a little 293 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:02,180 bit about how your own podcasters 294 00:14:06,199 --> 00:14:04,370 travelling my own podcast was inspired 295 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,209 by you you pointed out to me 296 00:14:10,309 --> 00:14:08,639 if I was interested in perhaps exploring 297 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:10,319 education or skepticism a little more 298 00:14:14,239 --> 00:14:12,569 maybe I should certainly start thinking 299 00:14:16,340 --> 00:14:14,249 about doing a little offshoot of a 300 00:14:19,509 --> 00:14:16,350 podcast and I thought well yeah why not 301 00:14:22,939 --> 00:14:19,519 I certainly was greatly inspired and 302 00:14:25,669 --> 00:14:22,949 interested in the BR that you introduced 303 00:14:27,109 --> 00:14:25,679 me to and that's how essentially to be 304 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:27,119 fair that that's how the token skeptic 305 00:14:33,499 --> 00:14:30,839 began it is a mixture of both essays and 306 00:14:34,689 --> 00:14:33,509 some of the interviews it also features 307 00:14:36,859 --> 00:14:34,699 some of the research that I've done I'm 308 00:14:39,290 --> 00:14:36,869 sorry I'm plugging in big and books but 309 00:14:40,609 --> 00:14:39,300 if you check out our beyond belief book 310 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:40,619 by Martin bridge stock it does feature 311 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:43,230 some of the research that is vital in 312 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:45,209 regards to how the Australian skeptics 313 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:46,889 encourages looking at paranormal beliefs 314 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:49,529 and I mentioned in that and it's just a 315 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:50,970 great opportunity to learn more about 316 00:14:54,169 --> 00:14:52,350 the art and hopefully inspire others 317 00:14:56,239 --> 00:14:54,179 because as we learned here at this 318 00:14:57,859 --> 00:14:56,249 amazing meeting podcasting blogging it's 319 00:14:59,629 --> 00:14:57,869 a great way of getting the word out a 320 00:15:01,699 --> 00:14:59,639 lot of people have come to me and said 321 00:15:03,919 --> 00:15:01,709 that it's and the other night when we 322 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:03,929 had the SGU dinner and people seeing all 323 00:15:08,419 --> 00:15:05,999 the podcasters up there it's it's so 324 00:15:09,499 --> 00:15:08,429 important podcasting is so important and 325 00:15:11,150 --> 00:15:09,509 I'm not saying that because I'm a 326 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:11,160 podcaster I listen to all these other 327 00:15:17,539 --> 00:15:13,769 podcasts to find out things I even 328 00:15:22,730 --> 00:15:17,549 listen to skip tide no Ryan Dunning 329 00:15:24,650 --> 00:15:22,740 ladies and gentlemen I just have one 330 00:15:28,249 --> 00:15:24,660 question is is Brian Dunning our 331 00:15:31,220 --> 00:15:28,259 keyboard cat for the show okay good good 332 00:15:32,869 --> 00:15:31,230 he he did a great little stick for me 333 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:32,879 once Brian I was coming to the states 334 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:34,410 and he was going to eat did a funny 335 00:15:38,869 --> 00:15:36,689 thing to promote my visit so people 336 00:15:40,730 --> 00:15:38,879 could meet me at a pub and I wrote the 337 00:15:42,439 --> 00:15:40,740 script for him saying good eye here we 338 00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:42,449 are we're going to say Richard Saunders 339 00:15:47,900 --> 00:15:44,040 and all this sort of thing and I wrote 340 00:15:51,109 --> 00:15:47,910 at the end he would say hurroo but it's 341 00:15:53,689 --> 00:15:51,119 really you isn't it when he say goodbye 342 00:15:55,609 --> 00:15:53,699 handy say it or a new route but he said 343 00:15:57,769 --> 00:15:55,619 he didn't know that so you just read it 344 00:16:00,139 --> 00:15:57,779 as Peru 345 00:16:02,829 --> 00:16:00,149 you also have to do it Richard with your 346 00:16:06,319 --> 00:16:02,839 mouth shut so the Flies don't get in oh 347 00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:06,329 he also he also likes to introduce me as 348 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:08,519 a former Kelly celebrity and future 349 00:16:17,989 --> 00:16:16,529 bushranger now dr. Chrissy dr. Chrissy 350 00:16:19,730 --> 00:16:17,999 Wilson ladies and gentlemen what a great 351 00:16:26,989 --> 00:16:19,740 talk she gave the other day wasn't it 352 00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,999 wasn't it fantastic I'm we're so 353 00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,279 delighted for you to be part of the 354 00:16:33,650 --> 00:16:31,199 skeptics own team and you went to London 355 00:16:37,389 --> 00:16:33,660 for us well you went to London not for 356 00:16:40,610 --> 00:16:37,399 us and you caught up with of course the 357 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:40,620 name is spent thank you Chris French and 358 00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:42,779 with your little recorder what was that 359 00:16:47,900 --> 00:16:45,360 way what was what what the visitor site 360 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:47,910 yeah going to be a reporter for the 361 00:16:51,110 --> 00:16:49,470 skeptic zone in London yeah it was great 362 00:16:53,389 --> 00:16:51,120 but before I tell you about that can I 363 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:53,399 just share something personal with you 364 00:16:59,960 --> 00:16:57,930 I'm tan Australia has been a personal 365 00:17:02,389 --> 00:16:59,970 breakthrough for me ladies and gentlemen 366 00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:02,399 because from now on I will no longer be 367 00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:04,860 introduced as the academic who once 368 00:17:10,340 --> 00:17:07,799 played a prostitute on the bill now I 369 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:10,350 will be introduced as the academic who 370 00:17:22,699 --> 00:17:19,760 my career ladies and gentlemen is going 371 00:17:24,740 --> 00:17:22,709 from strength to strength but this 372 00:17:28,210 --> 00:17:24,750 london london was fabulous actually and 373 00:17:31,490 --> 00:17:28,220 i left there about three years ago and 374 00:17:34,190 --> 00:17:31,500 remarkably as soon as I left skepticism 375 00:17:35,810 --> 00:17:34,200 really do coffee okay I don't think the 376 00:17:37,730 --> 00:17:35,820 two events are actually correlated but 377 00:17:40,190 --> 00:17:37,740 some yeah I mean there are skeptics 378 00:17:42,860 --> 00:17:40,200 groups everywhere now in Britain almost 379 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:42,870 every city in Britain seems to have a 380 00:17:46,580 --> 00:17:44,610 skeptics in the pub I'm not sure if 381 00:17:48,260 --> 00:17:46,590 that's just to promote binge drinking in 382 00:17:50,090 --> 00:17:48,270 England not that we need to promote more 383 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:50,100 binge drinking but yeah london was great 384 00:17:53,570 --> 00:17:52,050 and it was lovely to catch up with all 385 00:17:55,970 --> 00:17:53,580 the london skeptics and to catch up with 386 00:17:59,090 --> 00:17:55,980 Chris French who i'm sure you you must 387 00:18:01,970 --> 00:17:59,100 all know his name he's um one of the 388 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:01,980 leading lights in european a normal 389 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:04,110 istic psychology don't worry if you 390 00:18:07,220 --> 00:18:05,940 don't know what nama list excited is 391 00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,230 because most people can't even pronounce 392 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:10,080 it animalistic psychology is something 393 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:13,140 completely different trust me so yeah it 394 00:18:18,260 --> 00:18:15,330 was great to go to London and I loved 395 00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:18,270 being a reporter hi hey my fourth career 396 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:20,220 perhaps I'm on my third at the moment so 397 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:21,750 maybe they'll be my fourth career well I 398 00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:23,340 was going to leave it to today to tell 399 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:26,580 you we're doubling your pay excellent 0 400 00:18:33,410 --> 00:18:30,210 then 0 I've had some complaints so crazy 401 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:33,420 oh no why because actually it wasn't 402 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:35,190 just red knickers it was lucky red 403 00:18:41,330 --> 00:18:37,290 knickers but you didn't provide any 404 00:18:43,250 --> 00:18:41,340 evidence well I mean what this is why 405 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:43,260 we're here people isn't it to seek the 406 00:18:54,860 --> 00:18:52,190 all right moving right along with the 407 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:54,870 show thank you lack today anyway 408 00:18:59,690 --> 00:18:58,050 actually this but Thank You Chrissy now 409 00:19:02,960 --> 00:18:59,700 flip over here for a brief word from 410 00:19:05,630 --> 00:19:02,970 Iran grain of salt Iran so gives grain 411 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:05,640 of salt segment I had to laugh when we 412 00:19:09,650 --> 00:19:07,380 went to the amazing meeting the year 413 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:09,660 before last I think it was iran's first 414 00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:12,030 time and Fred West Fred Bremer is Fred 415 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:14,340 in the room Fred wrote ran up to Iran 416 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:19,530 singing grain of salt no such yeah and 417 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:22,380 you went to Hong Kong and you two would 418 00:19:26,930 --> 00:19:25,050 Noah's Ark for us a run yes that was a 419 00:19:29,630 --> 00:19:26,940 memorable part what was that like was 420 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:29,640 because he was I try not to get too much 421 00:19:34,610 --> 00:19:32,130 into religion it's find it a little bit 422 00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:34,620 boring really and but this was an 423 00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:37,500 amazing place because it's really 424 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:40,920 magnificent when you cut the crap you 425 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:42,180 know you ignore the fact that it's all 426 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:44,760 it's really amazing it's it's 427 00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:47,820 supposed to be that the real size of 428 00:19:54,740 --> 00:19:52,920 Noah's Ark who knows it's but it's very 429 00:19:58,640 --> 00:19:54,750 very large there's a museum inside 430 00:20:01,910 --> 00:19:58,650 there's full scales sized full scale 431 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:01,920 models of elephants and giraffes in all 432 00:20:06,530 --> 00:20:03,210 kinds of other animals that were 433 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:06,540 definitely on the ark I'm sure so and 434 00:20:10,670 --> 00:20:09,090 then they try to be as scientific as 435 00:20:13,580 --> 00:20:10,680 they could but there's only so much you 436 00:20:15,170 --> 00:20:13,590 can say when you know the ark was there 437 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:15,180 and you know that the world is 6,000 438 00:20:21,290 --> 00:20:18,450 years old so from time to time the the 439 00:20:22,460 --> 00:20:21,300 crap crept out of the displace but it 440 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:22,470 was really quite an amazing experience 441 00:20:25,970 --> 00:20:23,970 it's been a while since we've had a 442 00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:25,980 grain of salt actually Iran have you 443 00:20:34,580 --> 00:20:32,820 been busy yeah and nurse Jojo been amoo 444 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:34,590 the skeptical nurse did a wonderful 445 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:37,580 report for us from mind-body wallet Joe 446 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:40,290 can you can you stand going to yet 447 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:42,120 another mind-body wallet I know your 448 00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:44,610 face no all right you see my eyes widen 449 00:20:49,130 --> 00:20:47,190 in terror what's it what's it like for 450 00:20:51,620 --> 00:20:49,140 you personally being a medical person a 451 00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,630 nurse going to mind/body we mean mind 452 00:20:55,730 --> 00:20:53,700 body spirit the New Age festival but 453 00:20:58,749 --> 00:20:55,740 we'll call it mind body wallet as we do 454 00:21:01,839 --> 00:20:58,759 it's horrifying yeah but isn't it I'd be 455 00:21:04,629 --> 00:21:01,849 I've been to two of the mind-body-spirit 456 00:21:06,189 --> 00:21:04,639 festivals and we actually recently went 457 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:06,199 to another festival I can't quite 458 00:21:10,389 --> 00:21:07,849 remember the name it was I think it was 459 00:21:12,399 --> 00:21:10,399 the ultimate health festival yes the 460 00:21:14,049 --> 00:21:12,409 ultimate health festival her to be a 461 00:21:15,819 --> 00:21:14,059 dismal failure I think they were more 462 00:21:19,149 --> 00:21:15,829 skeptics wandering around than anything 463 00:21:21,549 --> 00:21:19,159 else it was it was actually quite 464 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:21,559 entertaining there were I think they 465 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:23,570 must have paid a fortune to hire out 466 00:21:29,349 --> 00:21:26,440 this hall out at Sydney Olympic Park and 467 00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:29,359 there were a lot of stores there and no 468 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:31,190 one wandering around which we were quite 469 00:21:34,689 --> 00:21:32,719 delighted to see that all this nonsense 470 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:34,699 was not actually getting a chance to 471 00:21:39,489 --> 00:21:37,940 make its way out into the public but the 472 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:39,499 fact is that you know these things often 473 00:21:42,909 --> 00:21:41,269 will take hold and we'll see you next 474 00:21:45,009 --> 00:21:42,919 year they might appear again but the 475 00:21:46,269 --> 00:21:45,019 fact is that while that one may not do 476 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:46,279 too well the mind-body-spirit festival 477 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:48,769 attracts thousands to change all my body 478 00:21:56,469 --> 00:21:52,849 wallet please and you know wandering 479 00:21:57,729 --> 00:21:56,479 around at the ones i've been to it's you 480 00:21:59,199 --> 00:21:57,739 know there's a lot of stuff there that's 481 00:22:01,869 --> 00:21:59,209 pretty innocuous you know there's 482 00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:01,879 there's some nice organic food and and 483 00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:04,159 you know things that you can buy beads 484 00:22:08,649 --> 00:22:06,559 and so on but when you get down to 485 00:22:12,029 --> 00:22:08,659 things like the man selling you know 486 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:12,039 claiming to cure cancer and AIDS and 487 00:22:16,389 --> 00:22:14,809 people like the one organization it 488 00:22:18,339 --> 00:22:16,399 claims that if you put their pendant on 489 00:22:21,009 --> 00:22:18,349 a bottle of water you can turn it into 490 00:22:23,199 --> 00:22:21,019 sunscreen and the woman plans to use 491 00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,209 this on her grandchildren and sunscreen 492 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:24,559 because you don't want to get all the 493 00:22:29,019 --> 00:22:26,690 toxins from sunscreen in your body you 494 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:29,029 know it's pretty horrible in fact I 495 00:22:33,069 --> 00:22:31,190 remember having um you know when I first 496 00:22:34,539 --> 00:22:33,079 the first ones I went to I wasn't too 497 00:22:37,239 --> 00:22:34,549 keen to engage with people but I've 498 00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:37,249 become a little bit bolder over time and 499 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:39,440 I quite like getting into arguments with 500 00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:43,129 them even though it's quite futile and I 501 00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:45,919 remember speaking to people who were 502 00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:47,419 really proud to tell me that they were 503 00:22:53,889 --> 00:22:51,589 nurses selling products and claiming it 504 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:53,899 some sort of um supplement and claiming 505 00:22:56,769 --> 00:22:55,609 that chemotherapy will kill you and you 506 00:22:59,949 --> 00:22:56,779 shouldn't take you know you shouldn't 507 00:23:01,119 --> 00:22:59,959 take chemo therapy for cancer so yeah I 508 00:23:05,849 --> 00:23:01,129 remember the hope that they work in 509 00:23:08,349 --> 00:23:05,859 oncology quite possibly the first time I 510 00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:08,359 got the rager to your mind/body wallets 511 00:23:10,749 --> 00:23:10,099 you had to sit down didn't you you want 512 00:23:13,149 --> 00:23:10,759 you're doing 513 00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:13,159 at one stage you were really flustered I 514 00:23:17,979 --> 00:23:15,679 was visibly shaking because I was so 515 00:23:20,229 --> 00:23:17,989 angry at the claims that these people 516 00:23:21,849 --> 00:23:20,239 were making and you dragged me away SAT 517 00:23:24,369 --> 00:23:21,859 me in a corner and left me there for 20 518 00:23:27,969 --> 00:23:24,379 minutes she's going was it was that the 519 00:23:30,069 --> 00:23:27,979 it was at the urine therapy no that was 520 00:23:34,299 --> 00:23:30,079 my blood you were yelling at the urine 521 00:23:36,579 --> 00:23:34,309 therapy person yeah this this was a guy 522 00:23:38,589 --> 00:23:36,589 who was saying that he could cure AIDS 523 00:23:41,049 --> 00:23:38,599 by putting a drop of your own urine 524 00:23:44,489 --> 00:23:41,059 under your tongue 45 days in a row is 525 00:23:46,809 --> 00:23:44,499 that right and which we generally have a 526 00:23:48,249 --> 00:23:46,819 protocol when we go to these events we 527 00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:48,259 try to go sort of a little bit 528 00:23:51,849 --> 00:23:50,089 undercover and just pretend to be 529 00:23:53,949 --> 00:23:51,859 consumers and we ask questions because 530 00:23:56,199 --> 00:23:53,959 you rarely get the answers that you want 531 00:23:57,519 --> 00:23:56,209 and then you can just start probing a 532 00:23:59,139 --> 00:23:57,529 little bit further and you can sometimes 533 00:24:00,729 --> 00:23:59,149 get them to say something illegal and 534 00:24:05,439 --> 00:24:00,739 then you go and report them to the 535 00:24:07,389 --> 00:24:05,449 government duh but so we don't usually 536 00:24:09,609 --> 00:24:07,399 yell but sometimes we lose our tempers 537 00:24:11,979 --> 00:24:09,619 and you know someone did say today I 538 00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:11,989 think Gio said sometimes there is a 539 00:24:16,659 --> 00:24:14,359 place to be a dick and I think in this 540 00:24:18,069 --> 00:24:16,669 case sometimes it was I walked away 541 00:24:19,899 --> 00:24:18,079 because I didn't want to be there but 542 00:24:22,089 --> 00:24:19,909 you you went off at this person and I 543 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:22,099 think that's completely viable that you 544 00:24:25,719 --> 00:24:23,809 do sometimes that were all human you 545 00:24:27,129 --> 00:24:25,729 know I try to play it cool but yeah and 546 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:27,139 sometimes I think also that you know you 547 00:24:31,059 --> 00:24:29,089 don't know who's standing around you and 548 00:24:33,939 --> 00:24:31,069 I think it also depends on how you lose 549 00:24:37,419 --> 00:24:33,949 your temper at them as well and I mean 550 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,429 the one guy we spoke to the one who has 551 00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:39,440 similar I think sells a similar product 552 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:43,089 the claiming to cure cancer and AIDS and 553 00:24:48,430 --> 00:24:45,769 you know I was asking him questions 554 00:24:50,919 --> 00:24:48,440 about his product and was getting quite 555 00:24:52,749 --> 00:24:50,929 irate at him because he was telling me 556 00:24:55,449 --> 00:24:52,759 things which I knew absolute nonsense 557 00:24:57,189 --> 00:24:55,459 and there was a lady standing next to us 558 00:24:58,749 --> 00:24:57,199 sort of listening and listening and then 559 00:24:59,829 --> 00:24:58,759 as we walked away she's at all you know 560 00:25:02,139 --> 00:24:59,839 I was really interested in what you were 561 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:02,149 saying and you know I'm I've actually 562 00:25:06,879 --> 00:25:04,849 got family who tried these products and 563 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:06,889 I I just don't know what to do about and 564 00:25:10,299 --> 00:25:08,690 didn't really know where to take this 565 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:10,309 and it was actually really helpful for 566 00:25:13,180 --> 00:25:11,809 her to see someone standing there 567 00:25:14,859 --> 00:25:13,190 questioning the stuff and to then learn 568 00:25:18,759 --> 00:25:14,869 that I'll do people like us out there 569 00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:18,769 yeah who are doing something about it so 570 00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,659 I think sometimes actually showing your 571 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:22,159 criticism in front of other people at 572 00:25:24,850 --> 00:25:22,740 these 573 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:24,860 events can be useful to look well 574 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:27,090 alright Richard can I tell the story 575 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:28,860 about the detox pets if you tell her 576 00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:32,070 quickly yes just we were the most recent 577 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:33,270 one we went to there was a guy selling 578 00:25:36,740 --> 00:25:35,730 his bamboo detox products that he's 579 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:36,750 supposed to be able to put this 580 00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:39,240 charcoaled bamboo into water and it gets 581 00:25:43,850 --> 00:25:41,220 rid of all the toxins but it was also 582 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:43,860 selling would vinegar that was I don't 583 00:25:46,910 --> 00:25:45,420 know what it was supposed to do and he 584 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,920 saw this is the would vinegar their ears 585 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:48,720 and detox foot pads it's the same stuff 586 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:50,550 and I said I'd do you know those detox 587 00:25:54,620 --> 00:25:52,650 foot pads I don't really work they they 588 00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,630 claim to work but they don't work and he 589 00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,640 asked me why they didn't and I explained 590 00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:58,500 it and he's got really angry he said 591 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:01,260 I've been ripped off those things are 592 00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,030 really expensive and we're in this world 593 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:04,559 being festival where everything's a 594 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:06,330 river but I have none of it's got any 595 00:26:10,790 --> 00:26:08,610 evidence and he got really upset that he 596 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:10,800 was being ripped off four foot pads it 597 00:26:13,910 --> 00:26:12,510 was that was good that was good but 598 00:26:15,860 --> 00:26:13,920 ladies and gentlemen I've been going 599 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:15,870 every six months to the sydney mine by 600 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:17,970 the body wallet festival i think i've 601 00:26:24,020 --> 00:26:21,330 learnt enough and i would now like to 602 00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:24,030 visit it next time with somebody from 603 00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:26,070 the government agency or an authority 604 00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:27,809 figure because there are blatant rip 605 00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:31,140 offs scams shams and shanks and cons 606 00:26:35,660 --> 00:26:33,390 there no two ways about it there are 607 00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:35,670 people there screwing people who are in 608 00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:47,690 now let's lighten up the mood a little 609 00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:49,230 bit ladies and gentlemen we have a 610 00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:51,720 special guest joining us on the zone 611 00:26:56,299 --> 00:26:54,059 today and one of my favorite people in 612 00:26:58,940 --> 00:26:56,309 the world she brightens my day everytime 613 00:27:12,320 --> 00:26:58,950 i see a ladies and gentlemen dr. pamela 614 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:12,330 gay pamela hello was so happy that you 615 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,570 could join us it's fabulous to get to be 616 00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:17,700 on your show and to be on such a 617 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:29,870 colorful feathery cast oh no Pamela 618 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:34,470 muppet now we're going to spend the rest 619 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,390 of the show discussing a topic which I 620 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:38,700 know is close to your heart actually an 621 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:40,470 innocent it's a wonderful topic I think 622 00:27:47,140 --> 00:27:43,350 we should all talk about it's basically 623 00:27:50,210 --> 00:27:47,150 using skepticism to engender positive 624 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:50,220 curiosity we should be giving something 625 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:52,410 back to those who we seek to take 626 00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:53,970 something away from this is the theme of 627 00:28:01,100 --> 00:27:58,919 the discussion I know you're a 628 00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:01,110 passionate supporter of this idea using 629 00:28:05,330 --> 00:28:04,049 skepticism to engender and it's what we 630 00:28:07,390 --> 00:28:05,340 do in our school program the mystery 631 00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:07,400 investigators inspire the imagination 632 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:11,880 yeah yeah so it's when I was a little 633 00:28:16,669 --> 00:28:14,730 kid I was fascinated with sci-fi movies 634 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:16,679 but we don't live in a science fiction 635 00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:19,650 world we're getting there I love my 636 00:28:26,860 --> 00:28:22,020 don't don't you remember when Captain 637 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:26,870 Kirk used to sign one of these um but 638 00:28:30,260 --> 00:28:28,950 watching these movies i was always how 639 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:30,270 did they do that how did they figure 640 00:28:34,250 --> 00:28:32,220 that out i was always trying to figure 641 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:34,260 out how to replicate this magical world 642 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:37,950 of the future and i think that that in 643 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:39,570 some ways can be much more interesting 644 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:42,210 and intriguing than letting yourself 645 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,250 sink into a really badly written plot 646 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:46,140 because sadly most sci-fi is badly 647 00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:49,980 written it's getting better but if you 648 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:52,110 can't enjoy the plot enjoy trying to 649 00:28:56,050 --> 00:28:53,810 figure out how they make 650 00:28:59,340 --> 00:28:56,060 the backgrounds do what they do yeah 651 00:29:02,200 --> 00:28:59,350 that's true but um do you get many 652 00:29:03,820 --> 00:29:02,210 letters from astronomy cast ladies and 653 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:03,830 gentlemen astronomy cast if you don't 654 00:29:09,490 --> 00:29:05,990 listen to astronomy cast go out now I 655 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:09,500 mean it's a wonderful podcast do you get 656 00:29:14,110 --> 00:29:12,110 many younger people writing into your 657 00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:14,120 show yeah when one of the ones that we 658 00:29:18,610 --> 00:29:16,550 got our very first year that I actually 659 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:18,620 cut out and occasionally when you're a 660 00:29:22,060 --> 00:29:20,330 faculty member you have really bad days 661 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:22,070 and you wonder why you're trying to 662 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:24,260 educate people because clearly don't 663 00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:29,630 want it I think I have this one comment 664 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:31,640 that we got taped up on my door so that 665 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:33,410 I see it going into my office after 666 00:29:38,050 --> 00:29:34,610 teaching them is particularly bad 667 00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:38,060 lectures and it's from a young girl who 668 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:40,220 said that she'd never seen a female 669 00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:42,530 astronomer before and she'd always 670 00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:44,150 wanted to be a scientist but didn't know 671 00:29:49,810 --> 00:29:48,020 girls could do it and now she's out she 672 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:49,820 has a telescope and this is what she 673 00:29:53,770 --> 00:29:52,100 does she wants to be an astronomer and 674 00:30:02,549 --> 00:29:53,780 that was that told me we're doing it 675 00:30:06,430 --> 00:30:05,110 I'm a girl and I'm a scientist does that 676 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:06,440 count yeah you have you been an 677 00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:09,710 astronomer this is this is just table of 678 00:30:14,919 --> 00:30:12,350 girls who are scientists awesome we 679 00:30:16,330 --> 00:30:14,929 outnumber the boys well in astronomy 680 00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,340 though Pamela I know because I'm in 681 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:18,080 biological sciences and actually it's 682 00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:19,850 dominated by women and biological 683 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:21,830 sciences what is it like in astronomy do 684 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:23,570 you know the percentage breakdown last 685 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:25,460 time I looked it was eleven percent at 686 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:30,650 the tenured professor level and the I 687 00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:32,570 just switched from being in a physics 688 00:30:37,299 --> 00:30:33,950 department to being in a new 689 00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:37,309 interdisciplinary Center and the physics 690 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:39,679 department i was in is now zero percent 691 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:43,010 women and that's not unusual what is it 692 00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:45,590 like at undergrad level I'm at the 693 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,720 undergraduate level it actually is 694 00:30:53,140 --> 00:30:49,520 looking quite good in some places it's 695 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:53,150 as high as forty percent so we have a 696 00:30:59,290 --> 00:30:55,490 leaky pipeline for a variety of reasons 697 00:31:01,480 --> 00:30:59,300 where girls start out in Sciences in the 698 00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:01,490 physical sciences in astronomy and they 699 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:03,500 they want to do this they're interested 700 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:06,050 they're passionate and they just leak 701 00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:07,670 out of the system and this is a lot of 702 00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:09,980 different reasons in some cases it's 703 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:12,260 just a matter of you get sick and tired 704 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:14,210 of everything being designed for the 705 00:31:18,940 --> 00:31:17,030 boys down to when i was at mcdonald 706 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:18,950 observatory we had to check the filter 707 00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:20,690 alignment on the telescope that i used 708 00:31:25,870 --> 00:31:24,020 each night and excuse my language if 709 00:31:28,419 --> 00:31:25,880 you're boobs were too big and mine were 710 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:28,429 it was a struggle to get in and check 711 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:30,770 the filter if it was designed for 712 00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:33,590 flat-chested men to get up it in the 713 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:35,990 tres to check the filter and it's just 714 00:31:41,710 --> 00:31:38,809 the stupid little tidy things no one 715 00:31:45,610 --> 00:31:41,720 thinks about that when you're going down 716 00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:45,620 I'm trying to just check a filter it 717 00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:47,300 makes you realize you're in a man's 718 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:49,820 world and these things just add up and 719 00:31:54,940 --> 00:31:52,370 add up and add up over time and you 720 00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,950 never escape the sexes and the gender 721 00:32:00,160 --> 00:31:56,840 bias the being mistaken for your and 722 00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:00,170 secretary the being mistaken for Oh 723 00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:03,679 who's your spouse and it just wears on 724 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:05,510 you until you think well you know I make 725 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:07,610 good money as a writer why don't I just 726 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:09,440 go be a journalist and I did that for a 727 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:11,720 year and a lot of people don't come back 728 00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:12,130 after 729 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,630 going away for a while I just realized 730 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:15,840 that journalists were scary so I've led 731 00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:18,490 it I think I've noticed that in a few 732 00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:19,960 different fields I don't know if any 733 00:32:22,830 --> 00:32:21,700 other ladies on this panel have 734 00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:22,840 experienced that if you're a good 735 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:24,460 researcher you're good typist you know 736 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:26,260 how to use technology why don't you 737 00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:28,450 become a secretary not that that DISA 738 00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:30,340 secretaries because we bloody well need 739 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:31,780 people who have these sorts of skills 740 00:32:35,670 --> 00:32:33,700 but it doesn't mean that you will 741 00:32:37,550 --> 00:32:35,680 automatically need to be labeled as this 742 00:32:39,810 --> 00:32:37,560 and haha it's a bit funny no it isn't 743 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:39,820 things from the opposite way around I 744 00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:41,590 mean I'm in a profession where we're 745 00:32:46,290 --> 00:32:44,830 ninety percent women and you know we're 746 00:32:48,690 --> 00:32:46,300 see more and more men come into nursing 747 00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:48,700 yeah but there's still very much this 748 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:50,200 idea that you know there's a stereotype 749 00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:53,470 around what kind of men will be in 750 00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:56,140 nursing oh and so that it's a kind of a 751 00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:58,630 reverse and I think it's another it's a 752 00:33:01,980 --> 00:32:59,860 weird way to see it because we're so 753 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:01,990 used to sort of pushing for equality for 754 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:03,730 women in professions I mean the thing is 755 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:05,860 that men in nursing tend to actually 756 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:08,050 move up the ranks in nursing a lot 757 00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,990 faster than women do as it is anyway but 758 00:33:17,220 --> 00:33:14,080 it's an interesting reverse of that just 759 00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:17,230 a complete aside I did anybody watch all 760 00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:19,270 saints in this country the TV show all 761 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:21,190 saints come on you can admit it it's all 762 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:23,710 right I've I played a nurse on that show 763 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:26,890 45 yes it was actually I have to say all 764 00:33:30,930 --> 00:33:29,050 say it was one show that actually did 765 00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:30,940 Petraeus is in a pretty good light 766 00:33:41,070 --> 00:33:34,540 compared to a lot of other so we fake 767 00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:41,080 boobs and a week haha um Pamela you may 768 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:43,750 or may not know that Oh Kylie did a 769 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:45,130 wonderful thing a number of years ago 770 00:33:50,730 --> 00:33:47,650 with her students where she had them 771 00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:50,740 make crop circles talk about inspiring 772 00:33:54,270 --> 00:33:53,140 children with with wonderful imaginative 773 00:33:56,790 --> 00:33:54,280 things like that you know about that 774 00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,800 Pamela I know about crop circles I 775 00:34:00,060 --> 00:33:58,000 didn't know about your students crop 776 00:34:01,050 --> 00:34:00,070 circles and I'd love to know how you did 777 00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:01,060 that because we actually have hey 778 00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,940 growing on our campus and hey works like 779 00:34:07,170 --> 00:34:05,920 corn doesn't it frightened the heck out 780 00:34:10,050 --> 00:34:07,180 of the school principal I can tell you 781 00:34:11,790 --> 00:34:10,060 that much I kind of forgot to tell him 782 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:11,800 any came in then we got a great big huge 783 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:14,919 great court Lorna because they decide to 784 00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,570 get creative and I was all these um you 785 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:18,639 know the happy face yeah 786 00:34:23,490 --> 00:34:21,129 that's what they did it was great yeah 787 00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:23,500 oh and making your own you a fake UFO 788 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:27,460 photos using the school hat weren't 789 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:30,010 really Utley the straw boater fantastic 790 00:34:34,109 --> 00:34:32,049 it was like all these go yeah it was a 791 00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:34,119 hat is this the sort of thing that we're 792 00:34:40,769 --> 00:34:35,919 talking about pamela using things like 793 00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:40,779 this to skepticism to engender Wonder 794 00:34:44,369 --> 00:34:42,609 and excitement and creativity I mean 795 00:34:46,529 --> 00:34:44,379 that's the other part of it is people 796 00:34:47,789 --> 00:34:46,539 forget and unfortunately one of the 797 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:47,799 things we talked about it astronomy 798 00:34:51,539 --> 00:34:49,569 conferences is the fastest way to make 799 00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:51,549 someone dislike astronomy is to have 800 00:34:58,109 --> 00:34:55,480 them sign up for astronomy 101 and it's 801 00:35:01,259 --> 00:34:58,119 true at a large level because in the 802 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:01,269 classroom a lot of times you you are so 803 00:35:07,019 --> 00:35:03,250 busy teaching the equations you forget 804 00:35:09,180 --> 00:35:07,029 to teach the creativity that goes into 805 00:35:11,819 --> 00:35:09,190 being a scientist the ingenuity that is 806 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:11,829 required to build new equipment and 807 00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:14,380 figure out hard problems and with things 808 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:16,750 like crop circles well that's an 809 00:35:21,450 --> 00:35:19,450 engineering problem and students get the 810 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:21,460 chance to take the concepts they've 811 00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:24,690 learned and own them make them their own 812 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:28,420 smiley face if they want to and and it's 813 00:35:32,490 --> 00:35:30,609 in that allowing them ownership stage 814 00:35:34,529 --> 00:35:32,500 that they want to go home and say hey 815 00:35:36,539 --> 00:35:34,539 mom dad look at what i did and replicate 816 00:35:39,690 --> 00:35:36,549 it hopefully not in their front lawn but 817 00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:39,700 replicate it nonetheless one thing I 818 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:41,740 find amazing that what's happening with 819 00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:43,690 sites now it's becoming there's so much 820 00:35:49,499 --> 00:35:46,029 science that it's making all the woowoo 821 00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:49,509 stuff not so amazing compared to the 822 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:51,089 real science because it's it's 823 00:35:56,609 --> 00:35:53,529 cosmologies just going nuts at the 824 00:35:59,009 --> 00:35:56,619 moment and just seeing what the really 825 00:36:01,170 --> 00:35:59,019 freaky stuff is the science stuff and it 826 00:36:02,789 --> 00:36:01,180 just makes everything that put all the 827 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:02,799 crap that everyone's believing in is 828 00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:05,470 just becoming less and less important 829 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,660 and so much easier now to sort of guide 830 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:09,940 people towards the amazingness of real 831 00:36:14,789 --> 00:36:12,460 amazing things not you know fraudulent 832 00:36:16,799 --> 00:36:14,799 amazing things and and what i'm really 833 00:36:19,140 --> 00:36:16,809 loving and I I keep talking about 834 00:36:20,549 --> 00:36:19,150 citizen science but it's because I see 835 00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:20,559 what my colleagues and other fields are 836 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:22,900 doing to and all across all the fields 837 00:36:27,809 --> 00:36:25,900 there's amazing prod projects one of the 838 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:27,819 favorites that I've heard of is from 839 00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:29,529 Earth track where they're trying to 840 00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,360 measure climate 841 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:34,720 by looking at tombstones now this is a 842 00:36:39,150 --> 00:36:37,330 great project if you live in some place 843 00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:39,160 with a lot of really old graveyards and 844 00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:41,800 I grew up in New England and they have 845 00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:43,300 people going out and create the 846 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:46,270 gravestones start with sharp edges but 847 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:48,910 as they get rained on over time as they 848 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:51,610 get acid rained on over time there's 849 00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:53,650 corner soften and you end up with 850 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:56,590 rounded edges on your two tombstones so 851 00:36:59,940 --> 00:36:58,570 imagine taking art class out to a 852 00:37:01,170 --> 00:36:59,950 graveyard and this is the type of thing 853 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:01,180 when you grow up and doing when you end 854 00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:02,770 up doing you do the gravestone rubbings 855 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:05,230 and then you pull out your calipers and 856 00:37:09,450 --> 00:37:07,030 you measure the round of edges of the 857 00:37:11,790 --> 00:37:09,460 tombstone report your results and you 858 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:11,800 find out what the historic acid rain 859 00:37:17,550 --> 00:37:14,970 levels have been for the past 400 years 860 00:37:20,610 --> 00:37:17,560 based on looking at tombstones across 861 00:37:22,650 --> 00:37:20,620 all the different centuries the fact 862 00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:22,660 that you brought up artistry and artists 863 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:23,980 and how they can contribute his an 864 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:25,330 important point to you don't have to be 865 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:26,410 a scientist in order to communicate 866 00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:27,850 these things you just have to have a 867 00:37:31,590 --> 00:37:29,740 love of science and certainly a hell of 868 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,600 a lot of creativity um I should point 869 00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,280 out that how many of us here on these 870 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:34,960 panels are intact scientist I'm an 871 00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:38,050 educator Richard's a magician wedding 872 00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:42,400 singer you need a wedding cyka yet you 873 00:37:45,300 --> 00:37:43,600 need a wedding singer in your in your 874 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:45,310 podcast absolutely so even though we 875 00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:47,890 have a certain amount of science based 876 00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,780 education amongst us we're not all 877 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:51,040 scientists and you know what can you 878 00:37:58,590 --> 00:37:55,660 contribute here was last one how can I 879 00:38:01,290 --> 00:37:58,600 ask you about you I didn't you used to 880 00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:01,300 still do you teach an online astronomy 881 00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:03,040 course do you still do that and how can 882 00:38:08,130 --> 00:38:06,460 people do your course so I I'm not 883 00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:08,140 teaching a course this semester this I 884 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:10,030 don't always teach it I teach for 885 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:11,770 Swinburne astronomy online in every 886 00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:14,290 semester I'm a project instructor this 887 00:38:19,290 --> 00:38:16,840 is an online master certification and 888 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,300 it's basically astronomy education and 889 00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:20,560 public outreach so if you want to work 890 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:21,880 at a planetary I want to work in a 891 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:25,450 museum teacher Community College this is 892 00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:27,850 a good solid education that you can get 893 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:30,640 and all of the courses are online and 894 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:33,370 each course has end of semester projects 895 00:38:39,420 --> 00:38:35,650 that you have to do and rather than 896 00:38:41,580 --> 00:38:39,430 having one poor sod teaching 30 students 897 00:38:43,950 --> 00:38:41,590 try and monitor 30 projects which is 898 00:38:46,589 --> 00:38:43,960 death they 899 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,599 bring in people like me and have us 900 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:48,640 mentor the students through hands-on 901 00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:50,890 projects it's just sometimes the hands 902 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:54,940 are on through skype and I've worked 903 00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,380 with various students doing variable 904 00:39:00,300 --> 00:38:58,960 star work doing tumbling asteroids and 905 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:00,310 those results actually led to a 906 00:39:06,089 --> 00:39:03,010 publication doing color-magnitude 907 00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:06,099 diagram all sorts of different projects 908 00:39:12,030 --> 00:39:09,640 online and every other year or so I 909 00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:12,040 teach a capstone course on observational 910 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:15,099 astronomy it's a fairly expensive 911 00:39:18,180 --> 00:39:16,750 program but when you consider the fact 912 00:39:21,540 --> 00:39:18,190 that you can keep working full time 913 00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:21,550 while taking it and it is accredited at 914 00:39:26,609 --> 00:39:22,990 least in many places in the United 915 00:39:27,690 --> 00:39:26,619 States it's it's a reasonable price for 916 00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:27,700 what you're able to do in the 917 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:29,980 flexibility that you get and I've been 918 00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:31,960 with them for ten years and I'm now 919 00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:33,940 encountering the graduates all across 920 00:39:38,609 --> 00:39:36,040 the professional astronomy community and 921 00:39:40,349 --> 00:39:38,619 it's it's really good to see that what 922 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:40,359 I've invested in has created a 923 00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:53,120 well Pamela what a delight it is again 924 00:39:57,859 --> 00:39:55,140 to have you on the zone sadly time is 925 00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:57,869 catching up with us but if if there was 926 00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:02,400 ever a finer role model for young 927 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:04,320 scientists of both sexes I can't think 928 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:17,140 and time has caught up with us my 929 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:18,910 friends on the the skeptics own podcast 930 00:40:24,130 --> 00:40:21,650 thank you everybody for coming along 931 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:24,140 here today to be part of it indulge me 932 00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:30,200 again please um can everybody know who 933 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,790 said that thank you rob morrison from 934 00:40:38,050 --> 00:40:36,650 the curiosity show trying to steal our 935 00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:38,060 thunder ladies to be a professional 936 00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:41,599 heckler he is however it is on the topic 937 00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,000 if you are having a birthday today could 938 00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:45,920 you please stand up i'm curious in this 939 00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:49,550 sort of room how many one is that hit 940 00:40:58,500 --> 00:40:51,980 really in a room this side happy 941 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:01,620 I'm surprised you know normally get two 942 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:03,790 three okay that's cool it's a it's a 943 00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:06,310 wonderful date a brief sign off from 944 00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:08,110 everybody then we'll wrap it up starting 945 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:10,600 with Iran's again thank you for being 946 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:12,490 here thank you very much thank you very 947 00:41:17,610 --> 00:41:14,530 much everybody dr. Richie can you say 948 00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:17,620 that in Reiki Richard you want me to say 949 00:41:23,310 --> 00:41:19,660 what you want me to say the ancient word 950 00:41:24,900 --> 00:41:23,320 for the ancient word for a key I think I 951 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:24,910 think our listeners would like to hear 952 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:27,850 the ancient word for right the way Reiki 953 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:29,410 is pronouncing the original way it was 954 00:41:37,770 --> 00:41:33,730 originally pronounced yeah what we'll 955 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:37,780 say a sign-off from Carly yes I not for 956 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:39,370 me and don't forget to watch out for 957 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:40,990 Pamela gays future work on something 958 00:41:45,180 --> 00:41:42,760 called the edge if you're an educator 959 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:45,190 like me get in touch with her just so 960 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:49,090 the keyboard cat doesn't play me off dr. 961 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:52,390 Chrissy um yes as I have suspected for a 962 00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:54,130 while we're all wrong ladies and 963 00:42:04,530 --> 00:41:56,350 gentlemen miracles do happen England a 964 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:04,540 naught for 186 what Vanilli and that was 965 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:06,490 the last appearance you ever have of dr. 966 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:09,700 Chrissy will skeptics am confident nurse 967 00:42:13,110 --> 00:42:11,530 Joe better mood thank you Richard oh 968 00:42:15,060 --> 00:42:13,120 look it's been an absolute privilege to 969 00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:15,070 be up here with everyone and look I've 970 00:42:17,940 --> 00:42:16,510 been in touch with a few nurses in the 971 00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:17,950 last couple of days and I'm trying to 972 00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:19,750 get a group of skeptical nurses together 973 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:21,310 so if you know any out there who'd be 974 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:23,500 interested in touching base please ask 975 00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:24,970 them to get in touch with me through the 976 00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:28,030 skeptics own website absolutely Stefan 977 00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:30,220 I've done it again ah we don't like it 978 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:32,080 could I just say what a great joy it is 979 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:33,490 to be part of the skeptic zone and to 980 00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:36,910 have such a great event here so many 981 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:39,070 people from all over the world as well 982 00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,330 anyone from America's yep it's just such 983 00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:46,420 a joy to be I'm just a bit say that I 984 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:47,560 wasn't here for the whole thing I've 985 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:48,970 only been here for the day but you had 986 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:50,500 to sing at a wedding right I did have 987 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:52,330 these real wedding year so the way no 988 00:42:56,490 --> 00:42:54,130 it's it's been a great joy being a part 989 00:42:58,050 --> 00:42:56,500 of it thank you Stefan well for this 990 00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:58,060 week only and I hope we'll have the 991 00:43:01,200 --> 00:42:59,950 think tank back in the next couple of 992 00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:01,210 weeks when you can get the gang together 993 00:43:05,010 --> 00:43:02,710 down the club at the end of the street 994 00:43:19,859 --> 00:43:05,020 this is Richard Saunders signing off 995 00:43:27,490 --> 00:43:24,940 thanks everyone well done team um just 996 00:43:31,210 --> 00:43:27,500 out of curiosity how many people do get 997 00:43:33,609 --> 00:43:31,220 the the skeptics own podcast that's 998 00:43:34,660 --> 00:43:33,619 pretty good that's brilliant fantastic 999 00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:34,670 and don't forget to tell your friends 1000 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:36,560 and spread it out they let it go viral 1001 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:40,310 and Chrissy fear not my dear in future 1002 00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:42,680 yes you will be known when I introduce 1003 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:45,500 you as the the lady with the lucky red 1004 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:48,050 undies and as the girl who played a 1005 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:52,010 prostitute on the bill you make my job 1006 00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:53,570 so much easier and so much more 1007 00:44:03,160 --> 00:43:58,910 delightful you've been listening to the 1008 00:44:06,430 --> 00:44:03,170 skeptic zone visit our website at wwc a 1009 00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:06,440 petting zoo TV for comments contacts and 1010 00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:24,080 Oh